TheNewTiger
04-07 10:15 AM
I guess, we need to hire, one octopus for every months' prediction. That will be cheaper, instead of we put our brain in predictions.
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gcgreen
08-07 02:25 PM
Ok. I am finally beginning to see your point. If the objective of your exercise is to eliminate alleged non-genuine EB2 jobs, that really don't exist, but are simply advertised just for the sake of porting by unscrupulous companies who stand to gain money by this, then you certainly are making a valid point.
But I still do not understand how a lawsuit will help? Was the labor-sub elimination the result of a lawsuit? Also, I would be concerned about lots of other valid/genuine companies who really have jobs for BS + 5 years experience ...?
The argument is same for why labor substitution was done away with. The bottom line is it was abused.
But I still do not understand how a lawsuit will help? Was the labor-sub elimination the result of a lawsuit? Also, I would be concerned about lots of other valid/genuine companies who really have jobs for BS + 5 years experience ...?
The argument is same for why labor substitution was done away with. The bottom line is it was abused.
punjabi77
11-25 10:35 AM
You are funny....you should take the moral high ground only when you are on the right side...you gave morally/ethically repugnant suggestions and have "decided not to reply to any of the comments here"...very funny.
I do not condone the pathetic language folks here use including from sledge_hammer. You can make your arguments with civility. No need to call people "fools", "idiots", "stupids" etc. Shows your own under-confidence and lashing out at the wrong things/people.
GASleuth..
this thread was started to get suggestions as to what are the options open in the market..
if someone did give an option and you dont like it, why dont u give an alternative option rather than venting out uour anger.
No one is asking you how u feel or what is ethical and non-ethical..It seems that you are such an ethical guy who has not used a product and went ahead and returned it back to the store..If foreclosing is illegal let me know.. People here are giving pros and cons of doing a foreclosure.. i dont know if you own a house or not, and if you do.. dont know if you are having a perm job or a contract..I know so many people who own house and now they are in a fix because of housing market..I am not like other people who have already foreclosed..and btw.. why to blame the people and not the banks.. if i can own a house and pay mortgage which is quite same as a rent, i will better own a house and sell it after couple of years.. what is harm in that.. i may have mentioned about making profit by owning a house.. but i am not looking at becoming rich by living in a house for 2/3 years..Sledge_hammer and you are complaining all the way in the thread about people who are foreclosing or foreclosed.. but not spent your valuable time in letting people, reading the thread, know what are pros and cons of foreclosure and how it can affect 485..
I do not condone the pathetic language folks here use including from sledge_hammer. You can make your arguments with civility. No need to call people "fools", "idiots", "stupids" etc. Shows your own under-confidence and lashing out at the wrong things/people.
GASleuth..
this thread was started to get suggestions as to what are the options open in the market..
if someone did give an option and you dont like it, why dont u give an alternative option rather than venting out uour anger.
No one is asking you how u feel or what is ethical and non-ethical..It seems that you are such an ethical guy who has not used a product and went ahead and returned it back to the store..If foreclosing is illegal let me know.. People here are giving pros and cons of doing a foreclosure.. i dont know if you own a house or not, and if you do.. dont know if you are having a perm job or a contract..I know so many people who own house and now they are in a fix because of housing market..I am not like other people who have already foreclosed..and btw.. why to blame the people and not the banks.. if i can own a house and pay mortgage which is quite same as a rent, i will better own a house and sell it after couple of years.. what is harm in that.. i may have mentioned about making profit by owning a house.. but i am not looking at becoming rich by living in a house for 2/3 years..Sledge_hammer and you are complaining all the way in the thread about people who are foreclosing or foreclosed.. but not spent your valuable time in letting people, reading the thread, know what are pros and cons of foreclosure and how it can affect 485..
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trueguy
09-24 04:41 PM
EB3-I can benefit only if per country cap is removed. Can IV do something to get this done as part of Admin Fix? Otherwise EB3-I will rot in 2001/2002 for next 3 more years.
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FinalGC
08-12 02:04 PM
Got my approval today. Neither very happy nor sad.
Dude congrats.....got mine too today.....Common cheer up and jump up and down...
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Dude congrats.....got mine too today.....Common cheer up and jump up and down...
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makemygc
01-24 10:27 PM
Not only the laptop but all your personal items such as purse, camera etc. BOYCOTT UK. These people are racist.
In my 10 year stay in the US, I have traveled through UK only once and I had promised to myself I will never fly through UK again. Apart from the Transit visa hassel, they do not allow you to carry a laptop in addition to your carry-on. Even if the airline allows you to carry laptop in addition to a carry-on, the obnoxious UK airport authority will force you to pack your laptop inside your carry-on.
Boycott UK!!
In my 10 year stay in the US, I have traveled through UK only once and I had promised to myself I will never fly through UK again. Apart from the Transit visa hassel, they do not allow you to carry a laptop in addition to your carry-on. Even if the airline allows you to carry laptop in addition to a carry-on, the obnoxious UK airport authority will force you to pack your laptop inside your carry-on.
Boycott UK!!
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arihant
05-17 12:15 PM
Hi,
I was scheduled to travel outside US this summer for about 3 months. Then dates move past my PD and I have to apply for 485 in june. I have discussed these with the lawyer and want to confirm what she is telling me:
1) I have to be in the country to apply for 485.
2) FP notice will likely arrive in 3-4 weeks. But we have 84 days to reschedule this if needed.
3) I was not planning on applying for EAD/AP at this time. However, she says that if I leave the country on H1, and 485 is approved while I am out of the country (HIGHLY unlikely but still possible), then I cannot come back into the country unless I have an AP. (This is the point that I mainly need clarification on!)
4) If I DO apply for EAD/AP then I cannot leave the country until they are approved.
5) Finally she cannot give me a timeline for how long EAD/AP would take. The service centers processing times show that they are currently processing Jan cases. Which means at least 4 months wait after applying for EAD/AP.
Does any one know if any of the first four points are wrong. If so, what is your knowledge about the point that is wrong. Also, does anyone have any idea on point 5 (i.e. how long it is taking for EAD and/or AP these days).
If you have any information, please respond ASAP, so that I can determine the best course of action before filing for 485.
I was scheduled to travel outside US this summer for about 3 months. Then dates move past my PD and I have to apply for 485 in june. I have discussed these with the lawyer and want to confirm what she is telling me:
1) I have to be in the country to apply for 485.
2) FP notice will likely arrive in 3-4 weeks. But we have 84 days to reschedule this if needed.
3) I was not planning on applying for EAD/AP at this time. However, she says that if I leave the country on H1, and 485 is approved while I am out of the country (HIGHLY unlikely but still possible), then I cannot come back into the country unless I have an AP. (This is the point that I mainly need clarification on!)
4) If I DO apply for EAD/AP then I cannot leave the country until they are approved.
5) Finally she cannot give me a timeline for how long EAD/AP would take. The service centers processing times show that they are currently processing Jan cases. Which means at least 4 months wait after applying for EAD/AP.
Does any one know if any of the first four points are wrong. If so, what is your knowledge about the point that is wrong. Also, does anyone have any idea on point 5 (i.e. how long it is taking for EAD and/or AP these days).
If you have any information, please respond ASAP, so that I can determine the best course of action before filing for 485.
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rajeev_74
07-09 10:29 PM
My PD is 2005 but I have been in this country for 10 years now....There will be lot of people like me....If you really want to see FIFO USCIS should impement PD as the first arrival date..some of the ~2002 folks will be upset as it will push them down the PD list...
This is just a message to 2005/2006/2007 PD guys. Please don't think that some miracle will happen and dates will be current soon, it will take its own time. Mostly for EB2 & EB3June 2006- June 2007 guys, it will be like a lottery if the PD becomes current somewhere in 2007 Oct-Nov time. Right??
So life is not always easy. There are people waiting since 2002-03-04.
Don't think that life is not a FIFO always.
Why some of the guys became violent when I said, INDIA IS GREAT???
Guys.. do you know why I always feel like this???
As my parents,in laws and most of my relatives stay there. Not only mine, allmost all guys who are in the IV, they must have parents and relatives in India for sure. There is no other reason why I said India is great.
Someone asked me to pack up... YES, I will if nothing happens;however, I will be waiting to see the progress for sure. This is July. Let's have a look over OCT bulletin after 2 months and for sure dates will move atleast 4-6 months for EB2 guys and 1 year for EB3 guys. So wait, be patient, instead of doing all this.
Anyway, our turn will come sooner or later, so why to become impatient just seeing the JULY bulletin CURRENT and then "U".
Mainly this is the message for 2005-2006-2007 PD guys. Please don't take it otherwise.
This is just a message to 2005/2006/2007 PD guys. Please don't think that some miracle will happen and dates will be current soon, it will take its own time. Mostly for EB2 & EB3June 2006- June 2007 guys, it will be like a lottery if the PD becomes current somewhere in 2007 Oct-Nov time. Right??
So life is not always easy. There are people waiting since 2002-03-04.
Don't think that life is not a FIFO always.
Why some of the guys became violent when I said, INDIA IS GREAT???
Guys.. do you know why I always feel like this???
As my parents,in laws and most of my relatives stay there. Not only mine, allmost all guys who are in the IV, they must have parents and relatives in India for sure. There is no other reason why I said India is great.
Someone asked me to pack up... YES, I will if nothing happens;however, I will be waiting to see the progress for sure. This is July. Let's have a look over OCT bulletin after 2 months and for sure dates will move atleast 4-6 months for EB2 guys and 1 year for EB3 guys. So wait, be patient, instead of doing all this.
Anyway, our turn will come sooner or later, so why to become impatient just seeing the JULY bulletin CURRENT and then "U".
Mainly this is the message for 2005-2006-2007 PD guys. Please don't take it otherwise.
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SunJoshi
12-30 03:52 PM
Starting this thread to discuss bills and proposals for 2006. Open for public.
The dabate will help formulate strategies.
The dabate will help formulate strategies.
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i99
09-24 12:04 PM
Your attorney HAS to reply to your inquiries. It is stated in every State's BAR website. Otherwise, you have right to make a complaint that stays with the BAR records forever. BAR has to publish it to anyone who asks for information about that attorney. Attorneys do not want that.
We were in a similar situation. We sent an e-mail and left a voicemail saying something like: "In our point of view, a reasonable time for you to reply to our inquiries is 3 business days. If you do not call us and let us know another reasonable period of time for a reply period immediately, we will assume that you will reply to our inquiries and/or let us know the information about our case coming from USCIS in three days".
I guess we are learning this country's ways.
This worked very well ;
Our case:
i99 - I140/485 concurrent/NSC/July@d/R.Williams/No CC/No RN
Atleast your lawyer replies to you:) Our lawyer stopped replying to our e-mails since after mailing the AOS package in July. They don't even entertain phone calls.
We were in a similar situation. We sent an e-mail and left a voicemail saying something like: "In our point of view, a reasonable time for you to reply to our inquiries is 3 business days. If you do not call us and let us know another reasonable period of time for a reply period immediately, we will assume that you will reply to our inquiries and/or let us know the information about our case coming from USCIS in three days".
I guess we are learning this country's ways.
This worked very well ;
Our case:
i99 - I140/485 concurrent/NSC/July@d/R.Williams/No CC/No RN
Atleast your lawyer replies to you:) Our lawyer stopped replying to our e-mails since after mailing the AOS package in July. They don't even entertain phone calls.
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elaiyam
06-29 08:11 PM
Murthy's Flash News
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_062907.html
We have received news from the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) that they have reliable information that the July Visa Bulletin will be revised on Monday, July 2nd, or Tuesday, July 3rd. This Visa Bulletin is expected to retrogress many of the categories that were announced as being "Current" for July. It is expected that at least some of the categories will become completely "unavailable." The reason for this is that the USCIS apparently engaged in extraordinary efforts to approve cases in June, once there was some forward movement of the Visa Bulletin. They did this to try to avoid the tide of cases expected in July. Each green card approval uses one visa number. If the numbers are all used for the year, then the DOS will issue a revised Visa Bulletin reflecting "unavailable" in the particular category or categories.
more at
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_062907.html
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_062907.html
We have received news from the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) that they have reliable information that the July Visa Bulletin will be revised on Monday, July 2nd, or Tuesday, July 3rd. This Visa Bulletin is expected to retrogress many of the categories that were announced as being "Current" for July. It is expected that at least some of the categories will become completely "unavailable." The reason for this is that the USCIS apparently engaged in extraordinary efforts to approve cases in June, once there was some forward movement of the Visa Bulletin. They did this to try to avoid the tide of cases expected in July. Each green card approval uses one visa number. If the numbers are all used for the year, then the DOS will issue a revised Visa Bulletin reflecting "unavailable" in the particular category or categories.
more at
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_062907.html
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hsingh82
06-17 12:38 PM
IMO, stopping and working against fraud can be a bullet point in IV's portfolio. It could help IV while discussing issues with lawmakers.
My 2 cents.
My 2 cents.
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HV000
08-10 12:17 PM
Shouting is a good option when you run out of anything logical to say.
You absolutely have nothing Logical!!
You absolutely have nothing Logical!!
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485Mbe4001
08-25 12:43 PM
I agree nobody cares...for now, from experience i can tell you that i have advised most of my juniors to try MS in Australia, they can get an Aussi citizenship faster and most have listened. I am sure i am not the only one saying so, this could and will eventually affect the number of students(and the quality) coming here for MS/Phd etc, agreed that US is still the best place for a post graduation but the visa hassles of getting an EAD/H1/GC is not worth the effort, most of the students coming in will be over the hill in terms of their growth by the time they get the GC, if they get it in the first place...imho. I have had friends in EB1 NIW stuck in a mess for years.
IF you talk to the kids working in indian companies, most will tell you that they want to come to US for short term projects. Most know the mess that we are in. Sometimes we are so preoccupied with our issues that we are not aware that the world is watching us and learning from our mistakes
btw:- i did not give you the red dot, if you are offended by it you can email IV about it, they can easily query and find out who gave you the dot. (to the guys who post "anonymous"...it is not as "anonymous" as you think)
Try that and see what happens. :D :D
Nobody cares if you stay here or go back.
IF you talk to the kids working in indian companies, most will tell you that they want to come to US for short term projects. Most know the mess that we are in. Sometimes we are so preoccupied with our issues that we are not aware that the world is watching us and learning from our mistakes
btw:- i did not give you the red dot, if you are offended by it you can email IV about it, they can easily query and find out who gave you the dot. (to the guys who post "anonymous"...it is not as "anonymous" as you think)
Try that and see what happens. :D :D
Nobody cares if you stay here or go back.
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anilsal
07-09 08:45 PM
http://digg.com/world_news/Flower_Campaign_from_Legal_Immigrant_Applicants_Me ssage_from_USCIS_Director
Please digg the above url such that the response from USCIS gets a lot of media attention, such that our issues remain in limelight.
Please digg the above url such that the response from USCIS gets a lot of media attention, such that our issues remain in limelight.
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unseenguy
06-15 06:54 PM
1. Why should he pay you more if he can get someone for cheaper price? - No Issues as long as its by following all the rules and regulations set by the authorities.
2. Are you willing to do the same job for the salary that is offered by TCS, WIPRO? - Nope, my salary is my personal choice. Tomorrow these companies may bring resources Illegally across border and offer 5$ per hour, would you accept that salary???
Your salary is not your personal choice, it is governed by market factors. Company makes the final decision whether they want to pay you what you ask for and whether they need your services. Your client can easily send your job to India if they can hire someone here for 3 months. Most likely that person is going to be back with the job after 3 months.
3. If you screw up , who is responsible? What can you do to mitigate damage? TCS/WIPRO can replace the whole team at free of cost to make project successful. - BS
I work for a major system integrator and I have seen client come to us and say, X did not perform well, give us the money back or provide Y number of free consulting days. I have seen clients come to us and say , we give you 2 more months, deliver this project or else lawsuit, and I have seen company agreeing to client demands. These are additional advantages for going to TCS/WIPRO. I have seen at one client place, they offered 10% of the resources free. So if client took 50 peopkle, they got 5 more for free. Can your company do that? Dont make hollow claims of BS if you are just a simple developer.
4. YOU guys want to leave companies at will but the companies should not replace you at will? - Not at all, they can replace us anytime they want.. I don't know why this point ???
Here we are discussing about a violation by companies using L-1B visa resources and we think reporting this to the agencies (ICE/USCIS) and making awareness amoung clients doesn't harm anyone who does their business within the legal frame work.
No we are discussing YOUR jobs loss due to L1 misuse. You were sleeping until it hit you and now you suddenly want sympathy. BTW, I feel sorry for you that any guy from India can come and do your job. Most guys who come on L1 are freshers with not much skills. Thats what is needed for the job then.
2. Are you willing to do the same job for the salary that is offered by TCS, WIPRO? - Nope, my salary is my personal choice. Tomorrow these companies may bring resources Illegally across border and offer 5$ per hour, would you accept that salary???
Your salary is not your personal choice, it is governed by market factors. Company makes the final decision whether they want to pay you what you ask for and whether they need your services. Your client can easily send your job to India if they can hire someone here for 3 months. Most likely that person is going to be back with the job after 3 months.
3. If you screw up , who is responsible? What can you do to mitigate damage? TCS/WIPRO can replace the whole team at free of cost to make project successful. - BS
I work for a major system integrator and I have seen client come to us and say, X did not perform well, give us the money back or provide Y number of free consulting days. I have seen clients come to us and say , we give you 2 more months, deliver this project or else lawsuit, and I have seen company agreeing to client demands. These are additional advantages for going to TCS/WIPRO. I have seen at one client place, they offered 10% of the resources free. So if client took 50 peopkle, they got 5 more for free. Can your company do that? Dont make hollow claims of BS if you are just a simple developer.
4. YOU guys want to leave companies at will but the companies should not replace you at will? - Not at all, they can replace us anytime they want.. I don't know why this point ???
Here we are discussing about a violation by companies using L-1B visa resources and we think reporting this to the agencies (ICE/USCIS) and making awareness amoung clients doesn't harm anyone who does their business within the legal frame work.
No we are discussing YOUR jobs loss due to L1 misuse. You were sleeping until it hit you and now you suddenly want sympathy. BTW, I feel sorry for you that any guy from India can come and do your job. Most guys who come on L1 are freshers with not much skills. Thats what is needed for the job then.
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alanoconnor
09-28 06:31 PM
Call (in the morning) 1-800-375-5283 and follow this sequence: 1,2,2,6,1,1,1,3,4.
If the Immigration Officer is kind enough you can ask if the Name Check is cleared. If he/she says No, you can ask him/her the date it was sent to the FBI.
thank you for your info on calling uscis and requesting namecheck info.... i called them today, asked about FP 1 and if it had been sent out... they told me to wait for FP notice but they were able to check for name check info..... name check has passed..... 485 RD July 16 2007... thanks again for uscis contact info
If the Immigration Officer is kind enough you can ask if the Name Check is cleared. If he/she says No, you can ask him/her the date it was sent to the FBI.
thank you for your info on calling uscis and requesting namecheck info.... i called them today, asked about FP 1 and if it had been sent out... they told me to wait for FP notice but they were able to check for name check info..... name check has passed..... 485 RD July 16 2007... thanks again for uscis contact info
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PD_Dec2002
06-29 04:11 PM
This is purely cruel and torturous. I only hope this remains a rumor at best and that this is the brainchild of someone in the State Department with a twisted sense of humor.
Thanks,
Jayant
Thanks,
Jayant
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feedfront
09-24 05:57 PM
Got the CPO mails for myself and spouse.
11 years wait is over finally. I wish all the best for the remaining folks !!
Congratz!!! You got it on right time, celebrate whole weekend..
11 years wait is over finally. I wish all the best for the remaining folks !!
Congratz!!! You got it on right time, celebrate whole weekend..
ramus
06-29 07:40 PM
This seems like 100% for sure news..
murthy news flash
NewsFlash! DOS Expected to Revise July Visa Bulletin
Posted Jun 29, 2007
�MurthyDotCom
We have received news from the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) that they have reliable information that the July Visa Bulletin will be revised on Monday, July 2nd, or Tuesday, July 3rd. This Visa Bulletin is expected to retrogress many of the categories that were announced as being "Current" for July. It is expected that at least some of the categories will become completely "unavailable." The reason for this is that the USCIS apparently engaged in extraordinary efforts to approve cases in June, once there was some forward movement of the Visa Bulletin. They did this to try to avoid the tide of cases expected in July. Each green card approval uses one visa number. If the numbers are all used for the year, then the DOS will issue a revised Visa Bulletin reflecting "unavailable" in the particular category or categories.
�MurthyDotCom
DOS Input
�MurthyDotCom
While there is no 100 percent assurance about this matter, we at the Murthy Law Firm were given a 95-98 percent confirmation of the expectation regarding the Visa Bulletin by a very reliable source. The most vulnerable categories, of course, are those that are typically the victims of retrogression: EB2 and EB3 for India, China, and (potentially) Mexico. If this unprecedented action should occur, it will mean is that the USCIS will reject I-485 cases based upon the anticipated Visa Bulletin revision, if it should, in fact indicate that visa numbers are not available in a particular category.
�MurthyDotCom
Legal Fight Brewing
�MurthyDotCom
There is substantial legal wrangling ongoing because of the anticipation of this unprecedented occurrence. The American Immigration Law Foundation (AILF) has announced plans to file suit against the USCIS for any cases rejected due to a revised Visa Bulletin.
�MurthyDotCom
Conclusion
�MurthyDotCom
It is difficult to formulate words in reaction to this matter. So, for the time being, we will let our clients and readers know that our full sympathies are with them, as they face yet another potential disappointment. We also let them know that we have been long-time supporters and contributors to AILF and we will fully do our part to fight what comes.
�MurthyDotCom
Please return to this page for updates on this topic.
murthy news flash
NewsFlash! DOS Expected to Revise July Visa Bulletin
Posted Jun 29, 2007
�MurthyDotCom
We have received news from the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) that they have reliable information that the July Visa Bulletin will be revised on Monday, July 2nd, or Tuesday, July 3rd. This Visa Bulletin is expected to retrogress many of the categories that were announced as being "Current" for July. It is expected that at least some of the categories will become completely "unavailable." The reason for this is that the USCIS apparently engaged in extraordinary efforts to approve cases in June, once there was some forward movement of the Visa Bulletin. They did this to try to avoid the tide of cases expected in July. Each green card approval uses one visa number. If the numbers are all used for the year, then the DOS will issue a revised Visa Bulletin reflecting "unavailable" in the particular category or categories.
�MurthyDotCom
DOS Input
�MurthyDotCom
While there is no 100 percent assurance about this matter, we at the Murthy Law Firm were given a 95-98 percent confirmation of the expectation regarding the Visa Bulletin by a very reliable source. The most vulnerable categories, of course, are those that are typically the victims of retrogression: EB2 and EB3 for India, China, and (potentially) Mexico. If this unprecedented action should occur, it will mean is that the USCIS will reject I-485 cases based upon the anticipated Visa Bulletin revision, if it should, in fact indicate that visa numbers are not available in a particular category.
�MurthyDotCom
Legal Fight Brewing
�MurthyDotCom
There is substantial legal wrangling ongoing because of the anticipation of this unprecedented occurrence. The American Immigration Law Foundation (AILF) has announced plans to file suit against the USCIS for any cases rejected due to a revised Visa Bulletin.
�MurthyDotCom
Conclusion
�MurthyDotCom
It is difficult to formulate words in reaction to this matter. So, for the time being, we will let our clients and readers know that our full sympathies are with them, as they face yet another potential disappointment. We also let them know that we have been long-time supporters and contributors to AILF and we will fully do our part to fight what comes.
�MurthyDotCom
Please return to this page for updates on this topic.
Bpositive
02-09 04:38 PM
This is ridiculous; all I see is unnecessary hurdles being produced � I see efforts of discouragement towards coming to this country on H1B. First they suddenly start auditing 60% PERM cases and now suddenly delaying visa unreasonably�increasing Visa numbers and making Green Card processing faster is aside, we are facing other problems.
I have started speaking with senior people at DOS. On a purely procedural level I don't see why an H1 applicant who may already be in the US is not 'security cleared' at the time of giving the I-797 approval. Totally ridiculous.
I have started speaking with senior people at DOS. On a purely procedural level I don't see why an H1 applicant who may already be in the US is not 'security cleared' at the time of giving the I-797 approval. Totally ridiculous.
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